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Sirius Black said:

Oh I wasn't criticizing the shot

I was just appalled at the audacity of Mick Foley flipping town there

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absolutely, the critique thing wasn't about you personally. Everybody was a bit of hyperbole there.

Sirius Black said:

How so, I wonder? I just went through every night post and I didn't see them get targeted by a town action once (nor a scum action, for that matter).

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I just read through all the vote posts when i was spreadsheeting. One thing I noted was that a lot of actions don't have named targets. Take a look through, and maybe you'll have a similar conclusion.

Sirius Black said:

Imagine if Cody Rhodes is town

Wouldn't that be something

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lol. Like it seems less than 50. But I can talk myself in and out of almost anyone at this point.

I think people were fairly high percentage on Mick yesterday, so par for the course. Everyone criticized the shot, but bet he wasn't the only one who would have done that with a vig.

So....I don't know.....par for the fucking course, and mafia makes dummies out of all of us I guess.

Sirius Black said:

That was my interpretation.

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that might do something like pair up ds and tildey then.

Sirius Black said:

No, but that is my point. Rhea has said a bunch things that could really be read both ways. So why are we killing them instead of a scummier person?

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Well, I don't actually think you consider them to be scummy You've had them in your most trusted town, including higher than a person who got poisoned at one point.

I'm happy to listen to an argument on Cody over. Haven't debated it being worthwhile once

I have Rhea ruled out of a lot of town roles, and they could be almost any of the scum roles. And I've got some gameplay things I see.

Cody we think could be the SK, but I also have this "Badger hadn’t seen much action, but now was his time to shine. Badger had always spun a good yarn and he found Cody Rhodes and got into a really deep discussion on what it meant to finish the story. While they spoke, Badger was trying to ascertain what Cody Rhodes was really thinking.",

I don't think anyone has come forward with dees, so while I am not debating that it could be a good kill, there's at least some base chance to think we could be wrong there.

If I didn't more read it as something that could work 3p (would a result be "Not town" or "Not scum"), there's at least enough mitigation that we should consider. If there's not dees, then even in a deceptive 3rd party phrasing, you'd probably eliminate from most scum roles?

Maybe I'm an idiot (something I never rule out), and I missed the dees or some other big glaring sign, but that's where I think it's at least a discussion.

And if I've missed something, I'll happily change.

Dude is listed as the House. Does anyone think that he could be multiple house of mtr names? Tildey is unaccounted for, but Future was identified.


I actually started a spreadsheet today

It's significant in that it is potentially a night that

Sirius Black said:

I'm typing this pretty fast so I'm sorry if I come off as abrasive

But I feel like most of the reasons to think that Rhea is scum are pretty silly/plausibly explainable to be coming from a town POV

There is their vote on D3 over either of the wagoned wolves. But I maintain that it is very plausible that the wolves weren't actually trying to save Glinda with the exception of the two already outed wolves. There are three wolves still alive. There is only one unflipped person on your wagon. So clearly the wolves weren't all trying to save Glinda there. It's possible that Rhea voted you before I pointed out that Glinda was outed but, uh, I'd say that they had a pretty good reason for it considering that you killed them prior to that.

So it's just a bunch of reasons that aren't exactly a great look for Rhea but could also be a townie who just said a couple of ill worded sentences and voted the wrong person once and I'm sitting here all confused wondering if that is really the best that we as a collective can do today.

The reasons that make me think that Rhea might be town are:

1) I like this person
2) They started the day alluding to having some town role and speculated about what Merlin's role could be based on their own role. They obviously provided no evidence for it but in my experience those kinds of posts are very often just townies being truthful about their role. If your experience is different, then that is a fair rebuttal.
3)They are being voted by people who I either don't entirely trust, or outright suspect. Now that point is especially important to me right now because with how close to reaching parity with the town the wolves are I don't see why they wouldn't just stack on a villager today to seal the deal. This wagon on Rhea with the only other alternative being the SK candidate makes me very worried that town is sleepwalking into a loss.

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That's fine, but you're kind of using a double standard. Other people are engaging in analysis, and you have been at conclusion for a few days. I went through multiple reasons why Rhea could be scum or OMGSUS. For you, it reads as every incident is confirmation you are correct.

In your own post, you say there are things that don't look good, but simultaneously dismiss them as silly.

And you could pretty much read your own reasons as could be from another perspective as well.

1. Ok. That's been pretty apparent
2. If they were scum they could also understand what Pug did and say that. But I will acknowledge its at least a salient point.
3. Yes, that is a concern. They also have some sound people on. And there are only a few that are sound. So it could be that all are holding off on wagons, etc. If you were talking fairly, you could also point out that if Cody is scum siding, he studiously avoided the next highest train at an early point.

to reiterate, I'm not defending Cody. it's a viable kill.




Also, if scum only acted twice on night 3, that ups Rhea's percentages some.

Rhea Ripley said:

Meant to say I appreciate everyone keeping an open mind.

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If feasible, I would love to get your take on my question regarding how you read void's actions (in the post aboves where I quoted him and underlined)

I would invite everyone to read the underlined portions and answer whether they think voidkitten was able to act twice in one night or whether the monitors portion is a pre-night action or flavor.

VoidKitten said:

VoidKitten was watching his monitors again when an idea struck him. VK punched a few buttons and continued to watch the monitors satisfied with the adjustments he made.

Xanjori decided he needed to go deeper in his thoughts. He tossed on a VR headset and pretended as if he were immersed inside a sensory deprivation chamber and he let his inner thoughts really guide him.

Rajah stretched as he enjoyed his nap, but was now in needed of more. He was no longer sated and he ventured out into the night to see what house was best to stay at. Rajah came across Seth Rollins and decided to follow him back so he could set up shop nearby.

Marack was wandering around the battleground again. The amount of people were getting smaller and smaller and he wanted to ensure the Kitten Kaboodle reigned strong. Marack sought out Merlin and engaged him in a friendly conversation and a game of hide and seek to see what he was really up to, once Merlin was sufficiently distracted.

Crackleslap snuck around the battlefield, intent upon ensuring his colleagues had nothing to fear. Crackle located Sirius Black and erected a makeshift wooden fort around Sirius’s house, intent on keeping things out.

VoidKitten did what he did best and ran his hands over the dials of his master control unit, while sitting on his throne with a Pepsi in hand. VoidKitten didn’t really like Cactus Jack nor Mick Foley and fired a red laser beam at both of his target, confusing the two of them.

Insaner hadn’t really heard anything actionable yet. But that did not mean he wouldn’t have constant vigilance, just in case. Insaner went around and set up more listening devices around to see what he could capture.

Psycho was playing some poker against a pizza box cutout of Mazer. Psycho had really missed Mazer and the frolicing they used to do back in the day, but at least this was a good substitute. Psycho went all in against this pizza box and bet it couldn’t beat him.

DivaSmurf had traveled the world and the seven seas. He was a notorious pirate after all. But now, he’d put those skills to good use. He ran throughout Boston and found Dr. Strange and commanded his men to “Batten down the hatches!” and a group of people came out of nowhere and built a moat around Dr. Strange’s house to ward off visitors.

FutureHold was excited. Everything he had hoped for had come to fruition and he was given enough peace to finally build what he wanted to. This would be fun.

Violina’s head appeared above yet again, to announce what everyone present knew was coming. Violina beamed down at everyone. “Well, well. Another day another event. My Tribal Council has voted and chosen the player who shall receive the most wonderful of gifts. They get to…run errands for me! Isn’t that wonderful? I guess I can let them bring someone with them. Anyway. Back to it. The player chosen by Tribal Council was…HARRY POTTER!

Harry Potter was lifted from the game space to a place unknown.

Harry Potter, playing as ???, the ???, has left the game.

Violina clapped her hands.”Yay! Now I don’t have to do them myself! Oh, and since I am so happy with not having to do them. Stasis has now been removed. Consider this my gift to you.

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Pug and Jafar have left stasis.

Pug, playing as Rock, the Kitten Kaboodle JOAT, has been killed and sent to Tribal Council.

Jafar, playing as Robozerim/Jarrod, the Redirector, has been eliminated and sent to Tribal Council.

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Living Players:

1. Cactus Jack
2. Cody Rhodes
3. Dr Strange
4. Dude Love
5. Harry Dresden
6. Jade Cargill
7. Mankind
8. Merlin
9. Mick Foley
10. Rhea Ripley
11. Seth Rollins
12. Sirius Black

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It is now Day 5. Day 5 will end at 8:00pm ET (GMT-4) on April 16th or when majority is reached. If majority is not reached by end of day, the player with the most votes will be eliminated. With 12 players alive, majority is 7 votes on a single player.

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VoidKitten said:

VoidKitten sat on his throne watching the monitors as the battlefield below had people sneaking all around it. VoidKitten laughed and adjusted some settings on the monitors and sat back. “I do love a good battle. It warms the cockles of my heart.”

Badger hadn’t seen much action, but now was his time to shine. Badger had always spun a good yarn and he found Cody Rhodes and got into a really deep discussion on what it meant to finish the story. While they spoke, Badger was trying to ascertain what Cody Rhodes was really thinking.

Randolph, or as he preferred to be known, Rando, wanted to ensure The Corporation would come out on top in this battle. Rando went off into the night and once he found his target beat him down to ensure they wouldn’t have much fight tonight.

Caito had finished modeling his kilt off for his new TikTok channel and decided he should actually get some work down. He set out and located Jafar and weaved a mist around Jafar that seemed quite sturdy.

Rock was busy in his lab working on a new concoction that he thought would be the life of the party. Rock coated his blade in this and set out into the night and found Cactus Jack. Rock snuck up behind him and nicked him a little with the blade and disappeared, grinning wildly to himself. Rock quickly left and waited to see what the effects would be.

Kryllian yawned as he woke up from taking a quick nap and but on his boots and set off into the destroyed streets of Boston. Kryllian liked to know what was going on so he set up shop outside Dr. Strange’s house to see what would happen.

Morrison had enough. It was tiring enough listening to people dither on and on all day, but what really pissed him off was when people didn’t even have a spine to make themselves heard. One person, in particular, really upset him and he set out to deliver the Morrison brand of justice. Morrison snuck up behind Pug and slit his throat, not even bothering to check, as Morrison knew his aim was always true. Pug let out a gurgling cry as he fell to his knees and bled out.

Pug, playing as ???, the ???, has been killed, sent to Tribal Council, and is in stasis for one full cycle.

Pablo Diablo was one of the lawyers that The Corporation contracted to enact the bylaws as necessary. Pablo decided that someone needed a remedial lesson and sat them down and went over the entire Corporation handbook one by one. Just to ensure they would stay focused, Pablo locked the door and set up shop next to it.

Matthieu was super sneaky. Like super super sneaky sir. Matthieu may have just finished watching Mr. Deeds and wanted to see how really sneaky he could be. Matthieu set off into the night and saw Cactus Jack. Matthieu knew this was a great opportunity and tailed Cactus Jack to see if he would notice.

Shiro was pissed off again. He really hated hearing all of these people talk. One person, however, was offensive beyond all belief to him. Shirokitsune went out into the night and located Merlin and karate chopped his throat, laughing as Merlin fell to his knees, coughing, hardly able to form words. Shiro moved on, slightly less angry than before.

Listo had heard enough. He knew that eventually someone would speak too much information and lead him back to their hideout. Listo packed up his toolkit and set off to locate his quarry and ironically he located his quarry in a quarry. Gargamel was sitting on a rock, eating some food and reading the latest gossip magazines. “Man. Everyone in this magazine is a stud.” Listo, approached completely unnoticed and with blinding speed quickly stabbed Gargamel in the side. Gargamel fell off the rock and rolled down a bit, right into a box of dynamite. Listo grinned malevolently and lit a match and threw it onto the dynamite and quickly disappeared. Gargamel couldn’t even make a sound before he exploded into unidentifiable pieces.

Gargamel, playing as ???, the ???, has been killed and sent to Tribal Council.

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Violina’s head appeared above Boston once more and everyone groaned. They knew that meant something was coming. “Don’t look so glum,” Violina said as she laughed. “I gave you a great dance number to work on. That being said, the Tribal Council has voted once more for someone to receive my event.” Violina paused dramatically as her head swiveled around looking at people. “The Tribal Council has made their decision,” Violina continued. “The player who received the most votes is…MANKIND!!!

With these words an aura appeared around Mankind, causing him to occasionally speed up and slow down.

Violina bowed once more and her head departed.

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The Final Boss, The Tribal Chief, and Sabrina Spellman have left stasis.

The Final Boss, playing as Robo-Listo, the Corporation Tinker, has been killed and sent to Tribal Council.

The Tribal Chief, playing as Kneeneighbor/Dreyski, the Tribal Amplifier, has been killed and sent to Tribal Council.

Sabrina Spellman, playing as Mazer, the Fickle Fellow, turned Kitten Kaboodle, has been killed and sent to Tribal Council.

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Rhea, I'm trying to ask this question in a way that doesn't get you in trouble, so I'll just say this is not me having a go. I hope you will consider my question, and not read anything in an antagonistic tone.

Outside of voting history, do you feel like there's much potential for you to be able to validate your town status in the next day or two?

A poison silence would be weird.

I know when I was silenced, if I had not messed up and missed my message I would have still been allowed to vote.

Cactus Jack said:

Sorry guys, I worked a death match a couple days ago that left me with some sore days of recovery. I'll catch what I missed and be back before deadline.

Have a ni-

uh, I mean

BANG BANG

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This is Cactus's last post. A "coma" type potion is something I've not heard of. If you were scum, staying away just to stay away would seem weird. But maybe I'm just projecting, because I would never want to just to watch the thread and not try to engage.

The poison I can't figure out, but maybe that is the right variable?

Rhea Ripley said:

I was obviously trying to pull more out of Cody. I really didn't like that short post, it feels like he knows he's been identified and is giving up.

As for who else I think could be scum, I really don't know, so I suspect everyone and I suspect no one. There are reasons to somewhat clear people, and reasons not to trust what people have said, nor what the write up says. There have been games where scum has been able to earn an extra action at night, or to be able to include a fake action in the writeup. Scum would typically want to use a fake action as a frame or to clear one of their own.

We have also had wishes in this game. I wonder if the double kill where Dude killed Mick was a result of a wish, as Jafar said he granted all wishes. I believe that Dude had wished for and been given a gun, but that Void messed with it mechanically to take out the shooter as well. I know this as I had wished to know what someone else had wished for, and found out that "someone" was getting a gun. Since my own wish was messed with because I thought I would find out who wished for it, it only makes sense that the gun wish was also messed with. Unless of course there are other guns out there. Jafar did say our wishes were boring.

I did very much like Harry Dresden's thought that Gargamel could still be rezzed. My thought was that maybe he's coming back, but because of how our bastard mod likes to mess with us, his option to come back is only as a stump.

After Cody and Jade, I think I want to take a look more closely at Seth, Harry, and Cactus/Mankind. Not sure what order on these.

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I did consider that you might be trying that, but knowing that they are not engaging on those posts and pulling on the way they were already voting rather than calling out for reads (which they still haven't done), seemed to at least open up the possibility that you were using the other strategy.

Sirius Black said:

Not quite. Not saying this makes Rhea more town. Just saying that I think this naive reason to think they are scum.

Who do you think Rhea's partners are and what are they doing today? There should be two other mafia according to the writeup.

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If Rhea is a scum, I would imagine .....the things that I am not going to specifically spell out. And beyond just listing out people, we should be holding people accountable for their logic.
I just feel like you read two posts and closed down to the possibility after you were certain on Mick. I'd listed off multiple reasons why I might be wrong about Rhea, but you had me as "less towny" because Rhea gave a list. Obviously, you've course-corrected, but I have a small list of people who I think we can get good engagement on a solve with, and I think that this is not a "give them a pass" situation.

Which is why I generally don't get moved by the just lists or "i like this person". Not saying there's no value, but the engagement is where people are going to slip.

Sirius Black said:

Would they be simultaneously calling their posts "rotten and not towny" if they were trying to parley though?

Idk, I've made this read of "this looks like evil parties talking to each other" many times in the past and in absolutely every case it turned out to be incorrect so I'm not buying it here.

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So they called cody rotten and noy towny, then said they could yhink about joining cody on you (to cody) and you're basically "this is MORE town. Why would they offer to team with Cody? They're just offering to vote with him. Because they don't like him".

Nothing?

Not even negative 5%?

Mankind said:

I have a theory, but it's a little out there.

Noticing a certain change in posting habits after the event. A very marked change, I'd say. Why, it's quite dramatic difference in behaviour. Seth in particular became, dare I say, playful directly afterwards. Quite the shift. Mister Potter also became quite the chatterbox, by comparison. I'd bet the majority of his posts came after that event with how little he spoke before then.

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That would be very clever. As anyone returned from stasis since then?

Cody Rhodes said:

Facts.

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Jade Cargill said:

Why would I answer that to someone who claims to be scum?

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I'm more town than Karl Anthony.

Pretty please with sprinkles, who are your top suss?

Sirius Black said:

Oh, would you prefer I just park on you like everyone else? At least I'm considering the alternatives.

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You did read where they basically offered Cody to join them right?

Think about the Cody dialogue.

Harry Dresden said:

Going back through write ups (yet again) and updating notes from N4 and came across something that has my brain going

N2 Write Up:


N4 Write Up:


I've seen alignment changes from town to scum. I don't think I've ever seen it go the other way?

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Possibility of write-up tomfoolery. Multi-mame characters was used in the meta games.

Harry Dresden said:

I read the CWE character ad town because it was in green. Do you think it’s a hidden traitor role? Or that it does something different?

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I don't think we can rule out write-up deception. I'm still not putting it as highest probability, but want to be careful of hard write-up clears.

Harry Dresden said:

That’s where my head was at too. Maybe his role is a scum backup?

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That's been a pretty common mechanic. Makes sense.

Sirius Black said:

K I finished Mankind's ISO

I think their posts are good. Are they town? I don't know. I think that if they were mafia and wanted to put in some effort, they could probably post like this. But there have been a couple of moments that I found to be tonally towny like the one I quoted above.

So my conclusion is that I'm probably not gonna look at them unless there is 1 mafia alive and then make a final decision on their slot when there is more information.

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Right now , I have mankind as a slight lean town, neutral at least.

Jade Cargill said:

10 players alive and 3 mafians and an sk left. That leaves 6 town. Looking pretty hairy.

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Why 3 specifically?

Rhea Ripley said:

Weekends are tough for me, and with personal issues late last week I have not put in the time I would have planned to. But I backed off of you as I had a little more time to read a few things and I didn't think it was likely that the only three wagons were all scum. If I understand what you're asking me, that I haven't addressed, is what did you have wrong. Simply, you it wrong when you were suggesting I was mafia. And again, because you shot me, and weren't around, I was way more suspicious of you instead of looking at the others. I thought you were clearly scum, and I fully expected you to come out talking your way out of it, as I had put myself in a spot by misreading earlier. One you started talking, I wasn't going to listen to anything you said because scum will say anything to divert attention off of them. If you ultimately get revealed as scum, then I will tip my cap to you.

I haven't even done the spreadsheeting I expected to have done by now.

Sirius seems okay to me for now, as does Merlin, who appears to be a part-time cop?

Note that I had been suspicious of Glinda because she got the immunity D1. And I also wonder about Cactus Jack being very quiet. He also benefited from D1 votes.

CWE reads to me as a poison nurse or doc, who protected Cactus Jack, but was Cactus Jack silenced today in the process - If that was perhaps a lingering effect of the poison?

I do think that Cody is probably rajah, and may be our SK, but I wonder if he is actually a harmless survivor with a protective bomb. But didn't someone flip with a town motivator role? The actions in the write up point more like mass chaos instead of trustworthy results.

I dislike Jade coming in, felt like she was gloating, after we lost 2 more town today. Her vote history is terrible. Pointing out how close her scum team is?

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Your post when you voted yesterday said I had my facts wrong. I hadn't voted you, but did bring up reasons I questioned you.

My question was what facts did I have wrong.

Sirius Black said:

Town pile:

Strange
Merlin
Rhea
Harry Dresden
Harry Potter

The rest:
Jade Cargill
Cody Rhodes
Seth Rollins
Cactus Jack
Mankind

Mankind's posts today made me feel good things about him but I'd need to look at them again to make sure

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I still think having Rhea that high is fucking way overconfident. Particularly when we've at least got some argument for some of the others.

Sirius Black said:

I thoughy that the statement was they would not flip mafia?

The way this could still be true is if they meant they wouldn't flip because the flips were hidden.

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Interesting interpretation. I guess that could be true. I still think I read some intent there, but that's somewhat where my more likely to flip yellow came from.

If someone thinks I am off with that, please let me know

Sirius Black said:

And I don't really think I can tell yellow and green apart based on someone's posts.

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Basically if Cody is CWE, which a few have thought, then their statement that he would not flip yellow would mean it was true.

But as I type this out, I'm re-evaluating that now too.

Sirius Black said:

I definitely think that people coming in late to save you is a good look. I'm just saying that Rhea voting you may not necessarily be as bad as it may look because the wolves might not want to expose themselves by voting a counterwagon to the outed wolf. The only wolves we've seen do that were outed themselves and thus had nothing to lose.

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As i said, it's certainly possible.

I just don't want to overread that or anything else.


Thanks for the Cactus reminder, there's always the chance there was a fake action or a weird attempt. And he's still here, etc. But yeah, doesn't make sense as a main focus.

Sirius Black said:

I don't see any reason to not flip Cody and Jade here

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Remind me of what you were thinking with Cactus Jack as well.

Sirius Black said:

Mick flipping green makes me think that the wolves just didn't try saving either of their outed teammates. We've seen two wolves vote you but both were outed.

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it's possible. I'm not sure. Dude came along and saved the day for me. he was town. Harry, I have as a town lean.

I'm just willing to assume it, as I saw nobody pressing anybody who voted me that day. I was pretty much a free vote. I think we should also look at the people who did not vote.

Sirius Black said:

I don't see any reason to not flip Cody and Jade here

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Those 2 are on my list. Jade at least was on Pug while things were still in doubt. And could have probably flipped to me to help save Glinda. I think Cody is more likely Rajah than scum, because I assume Cody is the only honest person in mafia.

You are very, very confident in your Rhea read.

Dr Strange said:

Here's the scum roles I have:

Voidkitten
Kitten/Mazer-eliminated
Listo
Psycho
Rock
Marack
LDG
Crackleslap

Acted N1
Rock
LDG
Marack

Acted N2
Says Crackleclap used cloaking devices

N3
VK (I lean the monitors as action. Guess it could be flavor)
Rock
Listo



Rock has acted both nights we had visibility. The others have only been one time each. I was thinking about character pairings. So that could make sense. It could also mean that there's some variance.

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N4
VK (early flavor and specific action later-may mean he might not have taken a directed action n3)
Marack
Psych


This is the first time we've seen Psych act. We still have the following roles unaccounted for:
Marack
Listo
Psych
VK
Crackle Slap


It's possible that the SK is a neutral. The write-up talks about mazer meeting with both groups. So possibly yellow is the neutral color?

Dr Strange said:

1. Paul Heyman, playing as Blind Ninja/kdestiny, the Hider has been killed and sent to Tribal Council. (Night 1)
2. Palpatine, playing as Kangus, the Corporation Backup, was eliminated and sent to Tribal Council. (Day 2)
3. The Final Boss, playing as Robo-Listo, the Corporation Tinker, has been killed and sent to Tribal Council.(Night 2)
4. The Tribal Chief, playing as Kneeneighbor/Dreyski, the Tribal Amplifier, has been killed and sent to Tribal Council.(Night 2)
5. Sabrina Spellman, playing as Mazer, the Fickle Fellow, turned Kitten Kaboodle, has been killed and sent to Tribal Council.(Night 2)
6. Glinda, playing as LDG, the Kitten Kaboodle JOAT, has been eliminated and sent to Tribal Council. (Day 3)
7. Pug, playing as Rock, the Kitten Kaboodle JOAT, has been killed and sent to Tribal Council. (Night 3)
8. Gargamel, playing as ???, the ??? has been killed and sent to Tribal Council. (Night 3)
9. Jafar, playing as Robozerim/Jarrod, the Redirector, has been eliminated and sent to Tribal Council. (Day 4)
10. Harry Potter, playing as ???, the ???, has left the game. (Day 5)

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11 Mick
12 Dude

Dr Strange said:

I want to look at the votes. I'm going to assume Gargamel is town.

Day 1 End
Glinda - 9 (Jafar #80, Jafar #145, Gargamel #166, Dude Love #301, Dude Love #361, Palpatine #377, Paul Heyman #383, Glinda #397, #397)
Cactus Jack - 7 (Jade #83, Merlin #89, Paul Heyman #207, Mankind #291, Dr Strange #315, Dr Strange #360, Sabrina #372)
The Final Boss - 6 (TFB #138, Gargamel #168, Mick Foley #347, Mick Foley #347, The Tribal Chief #349, Merlin #350)
Seth Freakin’ Rollins - 4 (Seth Rollins #169, Sirius #193, Seth Rollins #313, Sabrina #371)
Harry Potter - 2 (Sirius #20, Palpatine #396)
Dude Love - 2 (Rhea Ripley #183, Dresden #307)
Palpatine - 1 (Jade #213)
Paul Heyman - 1 (Cactus Jack #219)
Rhea Ripley - 1 (Dresden #307)
Jafar - 1 (The Tribal Chief #311)
Dr. Strange - 1 (Harry Potter #341)
Harry Dresden - 1 (Harry Potter #341)
Pug - 1 (The Final Boss #342)
Cody Rhodes - 1 (Cactus Jack #346)


Day 2 End
Sleep - 4 (Seth Rollins #455, Harry Dresden #815, Glinda #841, Jafar #844)
Palpatine - 3 (Gargamel #511, Sirius Black #820, Mankind #837)
The Final Boss - 3 (Rhea #514, Cactus Jack #717, Merlin #762)
Jafar - 2 (Cody Rhodes #510, The Tribal Chief #512)
Gargamel - 1 (Jade Cargill #490)
Pug - 1 (Palpatine #808)

Not Voting: Cactus Jack, Cody Rhodes, Dr Strange, Dude Love, Harry Dresden, Jafar, Merlin, Mick Foley

With only one known scum on the sleep train, I'm not sure this one tells us much. It's possible a light interest for Rollins, but not even sure I'd go that far. I think it's likely scum was either just playing spread out or we should look harder at the inactives. But this was Wrestlemania weekend and we had higher inactivity for scum and town, regardless of any other read.

@VoidKitten Is there a mistake here with Harry D getting double credit, but no Harry P?

Day 3 End

Glinda - 7 (Sirius Black #1128, Cody Rhodes #1140, Jafar #1151, Seth Rollins #1207, Mankind #1222, Dude Love #1246, Harry Dresden #1248)
Dr Strange - 5 (Gargamel #1064, Rhea Ripley #1154, Glinda #1215, Pug #1225, Mick Foley #1232)
Pug - 2 (Jade Cargill #867, Merlin #988)

Not Voting: Cactus Jack, Dr Strange, Harry Dresden, Harry Potter

@VoidKitten Can you confirm this one as well?

This to me, is where it starts to get interesting. Spellman is out. Pug and Glinda are still active. So they are down one but should have a full compliment. But they still lose Glinda. Jdae's vote on Pug probably moves her down the priority list. There's always a chance that they were on there earlier to be in front of dees, and then got scared to move. But that isn't the highest lilelihood to me. Meanwhile, you would expect scum to at least make an attempt to go for me to save Glinda, particularly since I really had no defenders and people were escaping with only the lightest of logic.

So, I would currently assume another scum is on my train or inactive.

Day 4 End
Jafar - 2 (Jade Cargill #1346, Sirius Black #1417)
Rhea - 1 (Mankind #1259)
Dr. Strange - 1 (Rhea Ripley #1316)
Cody Rhodes - 1 (Seth Rollins #1370)
Jade Cargill - 1 (Harry Potter #1416

Not Voting: Cactus Jack, Cody Rhodes, Dr Strange, Dude Love, Harry Dresden, Jafar, Merlin, Mick Foley

Unfortunately we do not have a late game scenario to analyze. But we can probably say that scum have a solid voting block in the tribal council.

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I updated the votes with the additional info

Well, I'm going back to the simplest analysis.

Dude Love confirms that the first person to jump on Glinda when me and Glinda were tied was town.

I still think that if there was a scum available, they would have made the move and saved Glinda, as we saw that strategy with Glinda and Pug in rapid succession. So they were most likely on the train or AFK.

Going with this currently. Mick is eliminated, and they've popped in to post, but really haven't addressed the questions I've had.

Vote: Rhea

I am also supportive of forcing the SK issue with Cody.

Fucking shit

Dr Strange said:

I need to go back and read again. Are you thinking that there is an ongoing non-flavor dynamic.

Honestly, I was just going back and wondering if I was conflating some Foleys with my Cactus read. A lot to keep straight mentally. Should have sheeted this game.

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Ok, I got this one now

Dude Love said:

Who do you have as our top 2?

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Mick and Rhea

Sirius Black said:

SK doesn't control who they kill

They killed two wolves on N2 because they visited Tribal Chief

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I need to go back and read again. Are you thinking that there is an ongoing non-flavor dynamic.

Honestly, I was just going back and wondering if I was conflating some Foleys with my Cactus read. A lot to keep straight mentally. Should have sheeted this game.

I've given my thoughts on all the votes up to the most recent and looked at the patterns.

Right now, I feel like we can resolve this between our top two.


I'm also not against the idea of Cody as the SK. Particularly with the Spellman kill-if I'm right in my theory about Spellman (although last game like this I was worse than I think I should be about sussing out actual identities).

@Cody Rhodes Any good town argument?

Mick Foley said:

does anyone disagree with these 5? (4 if you want to quibble over me)

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I would have the following in the Wong Category (loyal Servants of the Light)

Sirius
Merlin
Cactus
Dude Love

I would place the following in the Clea category (probably fighting for good, but not quite Wong)

Harry Dresden
Harry Potter

Sirius Black said:

What was the difference in Strange coming back and Rhea coming back? They both proceeded to tunnel each other afaik.

I'd even go as far as saying that Rhea's posts look townier than Dr Strange today because they actually dropped the tunnel and discussed other people, whereas Dr Strange not as much.

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My posts are long, but I actually have been asking questions to various people, gave reads on several people, and then gave several reasons why Rhea could be an OMGSUS townie and Cactus may be scum.

Rhea also kinda had to drop their read on me today.

I'd be at least 50/50 that your read is right, but let's not get to where being as confident as you are on the Cactus read is the only litmus test.

VoidKitten said:

Mod Note:

I forgot to add something to the writeup because I am terrible at this modding thing. So many mechanics. So little time. It has been edited in and is below.

FutureHold was excited. Everything he had hoped for had come to fruition and he was given enough peace to finally build what he wanted to. This would be fun.

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He's obviously building a HOUSE

I do want to kind of summarize some thoughts on Rhea, and if anyone else sees these as wrong-headed, please pick apart.

Frankly, I'm trying to decide if Rhea is more likely scum or OMGSUS town this game.

My initial concern, prior to my short, was on the potential Mazer slip language and the change. I read Rhea as being articulate day 1, so didn't like the "I realized scum would want sleep". Really, because we've been over sleep vs. shot as a general paradigm SO MANY times on these forums, that I struggled to think they would just come to a sudden new strategic read out of the blue on day 1. And it was a post with less explanation.

I would have loved to have pressed more, but I was silenced and well, c'est la vie.


Now, here's some things I didn't like:

To start, since I was silenced n1, despite really not doing anything at that point and they came at me quick, I'm guessing that someone pegged me day 1 and I was an agenda item.

Rhea came in after my shot, and immediately went to a certain place. (bold for emphasis on certain points)

Rhea Ripley said:

First, I am distracted as my wife is in the ER at the moment, as her physical therapist sent her there when she had a leg cramp that they think may be a clot or something. She is awaiting an ultrasound, and is bored. I appreciate everyone's kind thoughts.

Anyway I did not get a chance to read more than a little of the Tribal Council thread before it got closed on me. I think I can share that Shiro and Nightengale are the two originals in Tribal Council, and that Badger was Heyman and that they were astonished that we didn't notice Heyman had been killed. I know I had thought it was the silencer action. Badger was sad that we didn't even notice he was gone.

I am not complaining about not being able to read more of the Tribal Council thread - I would most certainly prefer to be here.

I am guessing that Strange figured there was a little sus on me so he shot me thinking he could talk his was out when I flip green.

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This certainly could be an OMGSUS. But their thoughts there are their own. It does go to immediately into accusation. Someone who is trying to play with more evaluation might consider it was a possible shot without assuming that it must be bad. And by that point, I've made no response. And this would never be brought up afain.

Glinda had a weak argument against me. The "Strange's shot was worse than Cody's" was just patently wrong. I had at least some rationale (which I had stated in thread), and shooting at Gargamel was terrible. I read this as scum prioritizing momentum over actually trying to convince anyone. They had Gargamel incorrectly during their work for them at that point, and Glinda seems very content with her vote just being quick and dirty (1215)

Pug said:

@Dr Strange

Popping my vote here until I hear more

Vote: Dr Strange

Has he been active at all this phase?

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Here's Pug's vote (1225). Pug obviously knows I'm silenced, but again content to just move.

Now Rhea voted before Pug or Glinda. They were the 2nd vote on my train and voted right after Sirius (1128), Cody (1140),Jafar (1151) and Seth (1207) had all put momentum towards Glinda.

Here's their vote:

Rhea Ripley said:

I don't have a lot of time nor brain power, and I don't know if I will make it back before the end of day, so

Vote: Strange

I hope this is not just OMGUS for shooting me / killing me without explanation, then disappearing. It's just that right now, I trust Gargamel more than anyone and he's voting here.

I think it is quite likely that we have multiple scum trains at the moment, because according to my scribbles there are a probably baddies left.

The lack of flips makes this difficult, and we don't know a lot, but I'd like to get opinions on everyone's top 2 trusts (for me, it's Gargamel, then probably Sirius), and bottom 2 aka threats (Strange, then I can't decide whether maybe Pug over Glinda).

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So they really don't have much to say here. In fairness, their personal situation may be what attributes to that. That said, I never love when someone just credits their vote to someone else because "they are town" unless that person has dees. It's a common scum play to vote without accountability.

They do have a good suss list here, but there is already some dees out at this point, and they are the first person to kind of try to bump up the counter train that we know at least soome scum would use.

It's also worth noting that Mick's vote on me was 1232. And he kinda just plopped it there without saying much about me before or after.

Rhea Ripley said:

I am not sure I buy Dr. Strange's argument, because he has got many of his facts wrong. Strange killed me, and then didn't explain himself until today.

Like many of us, this was an exceptionally difficult weekend trying to fit much of this in along with everything else. This week has only gotten worse time wise.

I am not sure about his "I was silenced" argument but Strange has had a long time to come up with it, and I will grant that while far-fetched, it is at least plausible. That is, if Void is a forgiving type of mod who would not immediately terminate someone for a violation. I also will admit that I liked the part about turning off discord notifications when traveling with relatives - thought that was a nice touch.

I admitted that I misread the part about Mazer, as I first read it, quickly looking at the line above and seeing red. But trying to sus me for changing a vote from sleep (post 438) to another train that had nobody on it at the time, really bugs me. We can learn stuff from who voted where, but don't forget the when.

And let's be clear, Dr. Strange suggesting that I changed my reasons for voting him is just a horrible look. OMGUS because you killed Mami! This means it's time for you to meet your JUDGEMENT DAY.

Let's not forget that the one player most of us seems confident is town, based on the deets shared about Mazer, is Gargamel, who is also voting for Strange.

I would like to focus on the rest of the actions last night, but I promised the missus that I would water the plants, dust and mop the floors while she is recovering. If she is laid up, I don't want her looking around at everything around the house that needs to be done - she is likely to find more expensive projects to add to the list.

I don't see any great reason to move off of here

Vote: Dr Strange

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Now, I will say there's a lot about this post I don't like. I actually posted in thread regarding Rhea before the shot. I asked what facts I got wrong. I have yet to get a reply. And since I'm not aware of where I did get any facts wrong, it feels a bit like a cheap attempt to see if they can get anything going. If they are scum, they would certainly know I'd be coming back in hot, and given that some people were ready to vote me out right away, this feels like a quick attempt to try to get that heat back.

The part I don't like on the questioning is it never really responds to why I would choose to not defend myself, and does go to the "I had a lot of time to think about it". The only reason I had time was because I was silenced, and if a few people had voted differently at the end....any time I had would have been irrelevant. Regardless of whether you would have thought my silence was some illogical scum strategy or not. I just don't like the logic here.


On the the sleep thing-As I've said, it was about their change on logic (at least possibly-I was never like 'this is a deadset' scum tell) vs. actual time. But I do hold some in my evaluation here, as I feel like this might be a person who struggles with having their rationales questioned at all. There's a few who tend to respond to questions with "I don't like that this person disagreed with me". That's not necessarily AI, as scum often get frustrated when people call out logic they don't like, particularly if they don't think its a slip. But could back up to theory that they are just town who pulled OMGSUS agenda.

I quoted their own first post and vote for their reasoning on me. Anyone can read that for themselves and see if that was unfair. Given that Glinda had a highly probable train, and they went to the "Gargamel" over the other info, I don't think it was unfair. But again, maybe any questions just put their blinders on more. Or they had more rationale in their head. I can only go off what they have written.

And again, I dislike the second callback to Gargamel who, while he was town, had no special insights. And it's even worse when you cite a player who is dead, and can't process new information. At this point, it seems like they are more motivated to get my lynch than any realistic reading would call for, and it just kinda reads as any port in the storm.

There's another mistake they made in their reading, to the point where I actually looked in other sources (personal thread, other posts) to see if I worded anything weirdly that would be additional cause for a misreading. But I couldn't find anything. That particular error doesn't actually help or hurt their case, but may be a sign of just jumping to assumptions.


Usually if I see someone on an agenda based kill, it's a clean shot more often than not. There's enough mitigating that I would like to get additional takes.

I do feel confident that we've got a scum between these two today.

Mick Foley said:

because it says it confused me and cactus, not that we swapped places or confused people looking at us or anything similar.

me and catcus are now confused

not other people

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Was there anything that happened that leads you to think an action you took may have been confused? Trying to keep a potential answer ambiguous so you potentially avoid any trouble.

Mick Foley said:

No its not lmao what a fucking leap

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I'm going to be honest, that wording looks very similar to how busdrive has been written in the past. I guess it can't be 100 proven, but that was how I read it as well.

Harry Dresden said:

Wonder if they were trying to protect against a Mick check or track with the Catcus/Mick bus drive. With the pressure that was being applied last phase it makes sense that someone would have tired to target Mick for more info.

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It's a decent shout.

1. Paul Heyman, playing as Blind Ninja/kdestiny, the Hider has been killed and sent to Tribal Council. (Night 1)
2. Palpatine, playing as Kangus, the Corporation Backup, was eliminated and sent to Tribal Council. (Day 2)
3. The Final Boss, playing as Robo-Listo, the Corporation Tinker, has been killed and sent to Tribal Council.(Night 2)
4. The Tribal Chief, playing as Kneeneighbor/Dreyski, the Tribal Amplifier, has been killed and sent to Tribal Council.(Night 2)
5. Sabrina Spellman, playing as Mazer, the Fickle Fellow, turned Kitten Kaboodle, has been killed and sent to Tribal Council.(Night 2)
6. Glinda, playing as LDG, the Kitten Kaboodle JOAT, has been eliminated and sent to Tribal Council. (Day 3)
7. Pug, playing as Rock, the Kitten Kaboodle JOAT, has been killed and sent to Tribal Council. (Night 3)
8. Gargamel, playing as ???, the ??? has been killed and sent to Tribal Council. (Night 3)
9. Jafar, playing as Robozerim/Jarrod, the Redirector, has been eliminated and sent to Tribal Council. (Day 4)
10. Harry Potter, playing as ???, the ???, has left the game. (Day 5)
I want to look at the votes. I'm going to assume Gargamel is town.

Day 1 End
Glinda - 9 (Jafar #80, Jafar #145, Gargamel #166, Dude Love #301, Dude Love #361, Palpatine #377, Paul Heyman #383, Glinda #397, #397)
Cactus Jack - 7 (Jade #83, Merlin #89, Paul Heyman #207, Mankind #291, Dr Strange #315, Dr Strange #360, Sabrina #372)
The Final Boss - 6 (TFB #138, Gargamel #168, Mick Foley #347, Mick Foley #347, The Tribal Chief #349, Merlin #350)
Seth Freakin’ Rollins - 4 (Seth Rollins #169, Sirius #193, Seth Rollins #313, Sabrina #371)
Harry Potter - 2 (Sirius #20, Palpatine #396)
Dude Love - 2 (Rhea Ripley #183, Dresden #307)
Palpatine - 1 (Jade #213)
Paul Heyman - 1 (Cactus Jack #219)
Rhea Ripley - 1 (Dresden #307)
Jafar - 1 (The Tribal Chief #311)
Dr. Strange - 1 (Harry Potter #341)
Harry Dresden - 1 (Harry Potter #341)
Pug - 1 (The Final Boss #342)
Cody Rhodes - 1 (Cactus Jack #346)


Day 2 End
Sleep - 4 (Seth Rollins #455, Harry Dresden #815, Glinda #841, Jafar #844)
Palpatine - 3 (Gargamel #511, Sirius Black #820, Mankind #837)
The Final Boss - 3 (Rhea #514, Cactus Jack #717, Merlin #762)
Jafar - 2 (Cody Rhodes #510, The Tribal Chief #512)
Gargamel - 1 (Jade Cargill #490)
Pug - 1 (Palpatine #808)

Not Voting: Cactus Jack, Cody Rhodes, Dr Strange, Dude Love, Harry Dresden, Jafar, Merlin, Mick Foley

With only one known scum on the sleep train, I'm not sure this one tells us much. It's possible a light interest for Rollins, but not even sure I'd go that far. I think it's likely scum was either just playing spread out or we should look harder at the inactives. But this was Wrestlemania weekend and we had higher inactivity for scum and town, regardless of any other read.

@VoidKitten Is there a mistake here with Harry D getting double credit, but no Harry P?

Day 3 End

Glinda - 7 (Sirius Black #1128, Cody Rhodes #1140, Jafar #1151, Seth Rollins #1207, Mankind #1222, Dude Love #1246, Harry Dresden #1248)
Dr Strange - 5 (Gargamel #1064, Rhea Ripley #1154, Glinda #1215, Pug #1225, Mick Foley #1232)
Pug - 2 (Jade Cargill #867, Merlin #988)

Not Voting: Cactus Jack, Dr Strange, Harry Dresden, Harry Potter

@VoidKitten Can you confirm this one as well?

This to me, is where it starts to get interesting. Spellman is out. Pug and Glinda are still active. So they are down one but should have a full compliment. But they still lose Glinda. Jdae's vote on Pug probably moves her down the priority list. There's always a chance that they were on there earlier to be in front of dees, and then got scared to move. But that isn't the highest lilelihood to me. Meanwhile, you would expect scum to at least make an attempt to go for me to save Glinda, particularly since I really had no defenders and people were escaping with only the lightest of logic.

So, I would currently assume another scum is on my train or inactive.

Day 4 End
Jafar - 2 (Jade Cargill #1346, Sirius Black #1417)
Rhea - 1 (Mankind #1259)
Dr. Strange - 1 (Rhea Ripley #1316)
Cody Rhodes - 1 (Seth Rollins #1370)
Jade Cargill - 1 (Harry Potter #1416

Not Voting: Cactus Jack, Cody Rhodes, Dr Strange, Dude Love, Harry Dresden, Jafar, Merlin, Mick Foley

Unfortunately we do not have a late game scenario to analyze. But we can probably say that scum have a solid voting block in the tribal council.

So it seems like a kill attempt went at me or Sirius. Feel like scum probably knew we were probably both in the safe town read piles. Sirius from earlier, and me after the Rhea flip.

We also both had clearly stated preferences, with me and Rhea being my target and Sirius with Mick.

Mick Foley said:

i tried to start a town wagon to immunity rather than just letting at least one wolf get it

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I apologize, but not sure I'm getting this point fully. Can you talk me through this one a little more? Maybe I'm forgetting something.

Dude Love said:

1. Cactus Jack - Voted for TFB who we know is town and also pushed against Jafar, who was town, for being a bad wish granter. They also had this post, #1252, which I tagged as odd upon first reading it:


Came off as very performative. CWE seemed to cure him before night phase, so we didn't see what might have happened, if anything.

2. Cody Rhodes - Voted Jarfar day 2 in a joke vote, but also never moved off him. Shot at Gargamel and missed during Russian Roulette and chalked it up to RNG, says they missed them outing Sabrina as scum. Very convenient. They did vote Glinda, but that was after the comeback and once Glinda was well outed.

3. Dr Strange - His shot and kill on Rhea is looking better each phase. Strange claims silence, yet it was Rhea who comes back defensive and deflecting. Strange came right in and started giving reads, trying to connect dots and engaging with people, and not just to defend himself. Since coming back from the silence, he's been the one most dedicated to sussing shit out.

5. Harry Dresden - Argued for not voting The Final Boss as the yeet on Day 2 based on good deduction once we realized Paul Heyman was killed night 1 when we thought there wasn't a death. He also asks Jade why she voted for Gargamel, which is something I also noticed while doing some ISO'ing and didn't sit right with me. Also second to vote sleep during day 2 in an attempt to have no misyeets, but that backfired since Sleep is not a person. I doubt scum knew enough about how Void would classify that to set that all up.

6. Jade Cargill - Random vote on Gargamel when Gargamel hadn't been very active. No explanation given. Voted for Pug, and when pressed on why, said it was random. Voted for Jafar while admitting to not keeping track of things going on in the game. When pushed to elaborate by Harry Potter, said they couldn't without infringing on game rules, which I assume means something around claiming. I don't buy that.

7. Mankind - Doesn't want to push TFB as a lynch, and says Jafar's personality is probably distracting from their alignment. But then they throw a rando vote onto Palpantine, putting him at 3 votes to TFB's 4 and setting him up as the second highest wagon. But then Sleep rushes in and takes the lead with 4 votes, with Jafar hopping off TFB and voting Sleep. This puts Palp and TFB at 3 votes each, but Palp is situated above TFB, despite the first three votes for TFB coming before Palp got his third vote. So with modified majority, shouldn't TFB have been above Palp? Could there have been a hidden extra vote on Palp? He also points out the possibility that Strange had been silenced before Strange shows back up, but doesn't commit to it because Strange had posted in the phase already. His breakdown of living players is fine.

8. Merlin - Was on TFB early, but seemingly got deets on Pug and stuck to them thereafter. Was fine leaving Pug for Glinda as a yeet, but never voted for her. He didn't really need to, though.

9. Mick Foley - Dropped a double vote for TFB during day 1 in a single post. Followed that up voting Palp the next day, cause of the weird late day vote movement. Voted Gargamel but unvoted when somebody pointed out they were seemingly rolecopped by scum. Voted Dr. Strange before Strange came back explaining the silence. Has focused lately on the d1 votes for immunity as far as scrutiny goes, which feels like trying to get sus on people that means very little. Acknowledges Merlin's deets on Pug but doesn't vote for him and then says he doesn't know why he didn't once Pug flips scum.

10. Rhea Ripley - Post #1316 just rubbed me the wrong way, and I think the discourse surrounding them since coming back has made a compelling enough argument for them being scum.

11. Seth Rollins - Asked Palp for his thoughts after Palp was already killed. I don't think this is a mistake that scum makes nor do I think scum set this up as a smokescreen post.

12. Sirius Black - Is the one who sniffed out Glinda when others, including myself, had her as town. He was really pushing Jafar as scum and was the second vote on them, which turned out to be the final vote on them as the day ended early and Jafar got the wack. They say they were going to unvote Jafar, which is a convenient out but the early end of the phase at least lends itself to an outcome like that. A lot of their back and forth with Mick Foley feels town to me.

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Strong post here.

Going back through some posts this morning, and going to try break some folks down with more specifics.

We do have the same top priority. It was strengthened by the glinda and pug flips.

Dude Love could have possibly saved Glinda when they were up against me.

I'd move them lower on the priority list.

Sirius Black said:

This entire sequence from Jafar reads like a cornered wolf lol

What has Jafar actually done that was towny this game?

The only thing that I recall was him hard shielding Palpatine but lol how could anybody be this confident in Palpatine being town. His read that Palpatine was town because he was memeing is so full of shit lol

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I actually don't love Jade's comment about the day. I think it's the wrong perspective, particularly given how much we've already seen void fuck around at nights. But while I think it's not helpful and it fair to push, I can't say right now whether it is AI.

Jafar had asked me in a previous game what my best town case was. Which was a fair question that game. I think it's fair that Jafar present their best town case. It's hard to nail too many people down as town, so getting the motivations of someone with a lot of actions is fair. It's because of the tomfoolery that I wanted to get my entire process out early. So people really explaining their actions and intents on record seems like a good strategy.

I still wanted Rhea to come and in tell me why what I posted had inaccuracies.

My trigger there is that just sheeping is often a scum tell for people who want to play safe. they have their own opinions for a little, but are quick to pull the "I'm doing this because we know someone else is town, and I'm just going to do this". As if a confirmed status would magically grant omniscience. Meanwhile, many people solvind are pushing their own opinions.

I have also seen scared town do this, but it's always an interesting look when someone leans into the "because so and so said so"



I'm leaning that Cody's statements mean they are town, even though I guess there could be tomfoolery around something "technically being true". Still hate that shot. But I've hated several of their shots before. Those ones at least made me laugh though.

I'm running on a world right now where I'm leaning Glinda scum, and kind of running that as my "if this is true, what else makes sense"


I also lean Harry Potter as town. Meta read on the way they are playing. I'm highly sensitive to the fake derp right now. But I think theirs was genuine. I also had a positive on Hagrid Black on that day 1.

Here's the scum roles I have:

Voidkitten
Kitten/Mazer-eliminated
Listo
Psycho
Rock
Marack
LDG
Crackleslap

Acted N1
Rock
LDG
Marack

Acted N2
Says Crackleclap used cloaking devices

N3
VK (I lean the monitors as action. Guess it could be flavor)
Rock
Listo



Rock has acted both nights we had visibility. The others have only been one time each. I was thinking about character pairings. So that could make sense. It could also mean that there's some variance.

I looked back at Cody. There was a post where someone said about shooting Cody and maybe "they would flip scum".

Cody replied "they won't"

That was their most direct response I saw.

This is what I'm seeing for Pug claiming. Wanted to reread in a more calm state of mind than yesterday.

Merlin said:

Alright lets get down to brass tacks. I have to be away from the computer in a few hours through end of day so I am going to say my piece. From what I have seen in the write ups and what I know to be true this is my best place to put a vote. I am new to how this game is played and some of the mechanics but from what has been explained to me it is time.

Vote: Pug

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This one was when Sirius asked if anyone had deets on Pug.

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Merlin said:

There is always room for error in these games. If we want to get rid of Glinda now and circle back to Pug then I am comfortable with it. However him not even addressing it in his multiple posts makes me even more confident in my beliefs.

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Merlin said:

Its quips like this that have you in my wolf list....

See how dumb that sounds?

I know on Pug. But you all can keep dicking around.

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I also appreciate Voidkitten for making a Pug reference. Surprised he didn't also include Macros the Black.

I do think it's fair to ask Cody for some more follow-up. I know they have turned off easy mode, but that doesn't mean they get a no touch policy.

And it was fun that Glinda specifically defended their shot.

TBF, I read that Nightingale was in the tribal council. That basically guaranteed that they were going to give that to Jafar. They would enjoy

Sirius Black said:

I also think that the D1 vote count has to be the least relevant vote count in the game. It's very possible that the mafia just didn't care who got the immunity vote as long as none of them placed third.

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I was thinking about this last night. If you have a team that's unlikely to make a huge mistake in the first day or 2, and a little less likely to be immediately targeted, would you want to go all in on an immunity vote? Similarly, can we rule out a fairly random spread?

Mick Foley said:

so we are to believe that we had two two wagons with pure town, and one wolf wagon that is 80% town. so where are the wolf votes?

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Wrestlemania was over the weekend. Which has a very real effect on rajah. It's possible they were less coordinated until Sabrina joined.

Mick Foley said:

so either glinda is wolf and jafar should be dangled over hot coals or shes not mafia and sirius black should siriusly read up on how to play mafia

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Look at the post I quoted from glinda and tell me what you think.

In a world where you assume I'm town, tell me if you read their post about me and Cody the same way as I do.

Mick Foley said:

then cactus jack is the other wagon

Jade #83, Merlin #89, Paul Heyman #207, Mankind #291, Dr Strange #315, Dr Strange #360, Sabrina #372

paul has flipped town, you are claiming to be town and Ive forgotten what Sabrina is, but i think a wolf? so really why is this the only wagon with wolves on it?

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Sabrina is scum now. But we should remember it doesn’t look like they turned until night 1.

So their day 1 action likely wouldn't have been coordinated or knowledgeable.

Mick Foley said:

if glinda was mafia her train is Jafar #80, Jafar #145, Gargamel #166, Dude Love #301, Dude Love #361, Palpatine #377, Paul Heyman #383

3 of those people have already flipped town, Dude Love is apparently town because he was poisoned by rock which means that at that point glinda was a mafia that got to immunity via only votes from town or exactly Jafar is the only person that can be her partner

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The late push on glinda was also pretty tied into the reaction from the quick votes before then.

Mick Foley said:

why did you give two votes to someone that did nothing but meme post?

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Same reason I said at the time. I decided to pick a Foley. Because the Final boss had a quick late push with no explanation given-and that put them to the top, I wanted to keep pressure on the votes. So I came back with my 2nd to bring it closet. I also encouraged the 3rd train.

It was all right there.

That train is more interesting in retrospect. There was a weird timing issue with votes. That's a given.

But ses maybe that was coincidence and just day 1 flotsam.

Mick Foley said:

The Final Boss - 6 (TFB #138, Gargamel #168, Mick Foley #347, Mick Foley #347, The Tribal Chief #349, Merlin #350)

its almost like 3 people from this wagon have flipped town already and you can see my double vote and my posts that pushed hard to make him contest the other two wagons

sirius black if you are town you need to pay a bit more attention and not be lazy because this is how you die otherwise

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Are you feeling like it's probable the entire wagon was clean?

Sirius Black said:

Vote: Mick Foley

I think that in a world where Glinda is mafia, Mick Foley is likely mafia as well.






Mick Foley hasn't interacted with Glinda a lot, but from the posts they did have it looks like they were viewing Glinda negatively and they didn't dispute my observation of Glinda being very likely outed from the N2 writeup.





But later in the day, they votes Dr Strange over Glinda. Without ever mentioning Dr Strange once prior to their vote.

So that's my cut and dry case for Mick Foley as Glinda's partner.

I also think they haven't actually been all that solvey and their pushes have been on villagers (they pushed Palpatine who flipped town and Cactus Jack who is now poisoned by wolves).

Them coming in today to point out that they were right on TFB being town and not doing anything else just looks like mafia who wants to get credit for being right about something.

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Sound analysis

Rhea Ripley said:

I am not sure I buy Dr. Strange's argument, because he has got many of his facts wrong. Strange killed me, and then didn't explain himself until today.

Like many of us, this was an exceptionally difficult weekend trying to fit much of this in along with everything else. This week has only gotten worse time wise.

I am not sure about his "I was silenced" argument but Strange has had a long time to come up with it, and I will grant that while far-fetched, it is at least plausible. That is, if Void is a forgiving type of mod who would not immediately terminate someone for a violation. I also will admit that I liked the part about turning off discord notifications when traveling with relatives - thought that was a nice touch.

I admitted that I misread the part about Mazer, as I first read it, quickly looking at the line above and seeing red. But trying to sus me for changing a vote from sleep (post 438) to another train that had nobody on it at the time, really bugs me. We can learn stuff from who voted where, but don't forget the when.

And let's be clear, Dr. Strange suggesting that I changed my reasons for voting him is just a horrible look. OMGUS because you killed Mami! This means it's time for you to meet your JUDGEMENT DAY.

Let's not forget that the one player most of us seems confident is town, based on the deets shared about Mazer, is Gargamel, who is also voting for Strange.

I would like to focus on the rest of the actions last night, but I promised the missus that I would water the plants, dust and mop the floors while she is recovering. If she is laid up, I don't want her looking around at everything around the house that needs to be done - she is likely to find more expensive projects to add to the list.

I don't see any great reason to move off of here

Vote: Dr Strange

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Also, help me understand which facts I have wrong.

Rhea Ripley said:

I am not sure I buy Dr. Strange's argument, because he has got many of his facts wrong. Strange killed me, and then didn't explain himself until today.

Like many of us, this was an exceptionally difficult weekend trying to fit much of this in along with everything else. This week has only gotten worse time wise.

I am not sure about his "I was silenced" argument but Strange has had a long time to come up with it, and I will grant that while far-fetched, it is at least plausible. That is, if Void is a forgiving type of mod who would not immediately terminate someone for a violation. I also will admit that I liked the part about turning off discord notifications when traveling with relatives - thought that was a nice touch.

I admitted that I misread the part about Mazer, as I first read it, quickly looking at the line above and seeing red. But trying to sus me for changing a vote from sleep (post 438) to another train that had nobody on it at the time, really bugs me. We can learn stuff from who voted where, but don't forget the when.

And let's be clear, Dr. Strange suggesting that I changed my reasons for voting him is just a horrible look. OMGUS because you killed Mami! This means it's time for you to meet your JUDGEMENT DAY.

Let's not forget that the one player most of us seems confident is town, based on the deets shared about Mazer, is Gargamel, who is also voting for Strange.

I would like to focus on the rest of the actions last night, but I promised the missus that I would water the plants, dust and mop the floors while she is recovering. If she is laid up, I don't want her looking around at everything around the house that needs to be done - she is likely to find more expensive projects to add to the list.

I don't see any great reason to move off of here

Vote: Dr Strange

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Gargamel voted on me yesterday. He cited that I wasn't around and wasn't explaining.

That.....seems less relevant today.

You're thinking the most productive thing I could do yesterday was do absolutely nothing, and just make up a story? Because.....wouldn't I have just done that yesterday? What's the motivation?

Other than gargamel's opinions from yesterday, who else do you think is suss? Even unrevealed tribal council will count.

Seth Rollins said:

Spice level to me seems somewhere within the region of Turmeric and Black Pepper at this point.

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Let's start making people rate their "spicy" reads with actual spices.

I'm about to take off for a bit, but I also want to go back and talk about the cross reference with day 1.

Glinda said:

Dr. Stranges shot was significantly more sus then Cody's. But both were bad.

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How did Glinda get away with this post? This wasn't suspicious?

Cody shot at someone with dees.


This triggered a big rant in my channel.

Glinda said:

My action was also hidden on N1.

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I'm not sure how to read this, but it is nevertheless very interesting. If true it eliminates a lot.

Seth Rollins said:

Yeah this seems genuine.

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It's not for the faint of heart.

Glinda - 7 (Sirius Black #1128, Cody Rhodes #1140, Jafar #1151, Seth Rollins #1207, Mankind #1222, Dude Love #1246, Harry Dresden #1248)
Dr Strange - 5 (Gargamel #1064, Rhea Ripley #1154, Glinda #1215, Pug #1225, Mick Foley #1232)
Pug - 2 (Jade Cargill #867, Merlin #988)


I know that people aren't going to be here yet. but needs to be captured. Because After I was already targeted for a silence when barely posting, I certainly don't expect to live long.

Either Glinda was scum or scum had two town trains to work off of.

I would have expected someone voting me, by the time it got tied, to at least discussed a concern of maybe there was a reason I was off. Even if it was life-related. Just seems like an easy way out with the exception of Gargamel, who was doing work but made a mistake or two. You've got Pug and Glinda on this train. I was suspicious of both. And Rhea. Who I've covered.

If Glinda is town, There could be potential for people trying to pocket whoever was saved with a late vote. If scum, that obviously looks better for the late votes.

Glinda's POE is also interesting.

Harry Potter said:

I feel less bad about you then. Thank you for explaining the situation.

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Man, there's a whole lot of things I've been waiting to explain and discuss.

I was raging in my private channel.

Harry Potter said:

I can understand following your line of thought on the shot.

Missing a discord instruction sounds feasible. Did you think about voting in the back half of the day, or were you not allowed to do so?

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Not allowed. I was thinking about seeing if anyone pushed this, but I will come out and say. Because I missed this discord instruction and posted, Void took my ability to vote as a penalty. I did feel bad about missing, because I took discord notifications off when driving with folks. There were a lot of "Fingers of Suspicion" notifications coming up on my console. And that and some of your names....gets awkward when driving a group. I did apologize to void for missing.

If I had been allowed I would have come in with several quick change votes to illustrate that I couldn't post but was active.

Standard silence play.

Rhea Ripley said:

I don't have a lot of time nor brain power, and I don't know if I will make it back before the end of day, so

Vote: Strange

I hope this is not just OMGUS for shooting me / killing me without explanation, then disappearing. It's just that right now, I trust Gargamel more than anyone and he's voting here.

I think it is quite likely that we have multiple scum trains at the moment, because according to my scribbles there are a probably baddies left.

The lack of flips makes this difficult, and we don't know a lot, but I'd like to get opinions on everyone's top 2 trusts (for me, it's Gargamel, then probably Sirius), and bottom 2 aka threats (Strange, then I can't decide whether maybe Pug over Glinda).

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Now Rhea first came in with a "Strange was doing something that he could talk his way out of". At that time, the opinion was their own.

Now later, when things are more scrutinized, they come in with a "well OTHER people think this" and "golly gee I hope I'm not OMGUS"

This is the second time in two phases were the rationale in voting changed. And I think that's something to look. Particularly in light of there Mazer statement, which it turned out was only more interesting in light of the flip.

Rhea Ripley said:

First, I am distracted as my wife is in the ER at the moment, as her physical therapist sent her there when she had a leg cramp that they think may be a clot or something. She is awaiting an ultrasound, and is bored. I appreciate everyone's kind thoughts.

Anyway I did not get a chance to read more than a little of the Tribal Council thread before it got closed on me. I think I can share that Shiro and Nightengale are the two originals in Tribal Council, and that Badger was Heyman and that they were astonished that we didn't notice Heyman had been killed. I know I had thought it was the silencer action. Badger was sad that we didn't even notice he was gone.

I am not complaining about not being able to read more of the Tribal Council thread - I would most certainly prefer to be here.

I am guessing that Strange figured there was a little sus on me so he shot me thinking he could talk his was out when I flip green.

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I am sorry to hear about Rhea's wife, and hope everything is ok. My wife had multiple bloodclots caught with our second child, and it was very scary and painful.


For the game
As I was reading the thread, this immediately triggered me (triggered lol). How does this make sense? The best thing for a fake in that situation is to get some consensus, tie a few people in, get some public assertions, and then make a kill. Particularly since there are no flips. And then to say because there was some sus I could just talk my way out of it? Rhea makes an immediate assertion that I was scum. Not that I could have been wrong etc. Contrast that to the takes people had on Cody. Who shot someone with dees. They takes on me were immediately less nuanced, and mostly about being quiet. Which would be a nonsense strategy, and because I couldn't speak, I was almost killed.

Harry Potter said:

Cant fault people for looking your way and asking for clarification, can you?

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Absolutely not.

No more than one would fault someone for narrowing down all the questions and getting takes in return.

I was triggered a bit by Sabrina on day 1. I was not posting much etc, but I did do some characteristic things. Sabrina picked me up as a "cool guy" or something despite very little. At the time I wondered if that was them trying to feel me out. If they were trying to figure out if Void had given me a certain role. In retrospect, I think more likely they were fishing for something else.

I'm pretty sure that Sabrina and Cactus had me early.

Despite that, they quickly went scum. Something Rhea seemed to potentially slip on.

Now, Gargamel also made a mistake on his iso. He read me and Rhea differently for doing the same thing with the Foley characters. He isoed Rhea first, and then thought my Mankind comment was more suss. In reality, I was early with the Mick comments, as I wanted to see if any were the type to jump to random soft pressure.

Rhea, as noted in my previous posts, was pretty cognizant of what was going on. But still had a terrible "I just figured that this is what scum wants" post to pivot on day.

When void pmed me to let me know I had missed a discord instruction, and was silent with a kill I had to use, she was the most logical target.

And let's continue there in just a minute.

Harry Potter said:

Looking back at N2 actions, nothing in the writeup shows you as a target. Not saying its impossible, but there are other ways you could have interacted with the thread. Provided you were in fact silenced, that typically doesnt prevent voting.

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Are you asserting that all actions are appearing in write-ups?

Also, I think there's a thread that we're about to unpack.

Interesting the number of people who want to move on one specific target despite a lack of dees and without even asking for discussion.

I thought I was on the block because I couldn't talk,

And now people don't want me to.



That is a shocker.

Too bad. Cause we doing this today.

Hey guys. Let's say someone has posted and then goes SILENT. And you know they are online, but you get SILENCE. And there would be no reason to avoid talking but the SILENCE continues.

There may be something applicable going on. There's some name for it. Can't think of it.

It's like trying to remember the name of that one movie about the robot that TERMINATES people. His whole programming is about TERMINATING a kid. I think it was called "The Robot Who Could Only Kill" or something

I basically got pretty busy and unexpectedly didn't get home Sunday until past deadline.

Tried to go through everything quickly.

Reading through Rhea's iso, they are obviously a smart person, so just coming yesterday with pretty much "I am now changing because I just realized sleep is what scum wants" does not sit well with me.

Sirius Black said:

I noticed that too yesterday. My thought about this was, man, would they really actually slip like this as mafia?

I don't know. This game has a lot of really wolfy people.

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people do it.....people do it

Cody Rhodes said:

#5.

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Not future then

Sirius Black said:

I'm reading the cloaked bit as the scum actions being hidden from the writeup.

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That's been pretty common in these set-ups, so makes sense

Gargamel said:

I was gonna hold off as a gentleman, but I'm too heartbroken to let this fly while they're already dead.

Sabrina Spellman is Mazer and turned to the scum side.

@Tribal Council

Don't let them come back.

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He died like he lived. Betraying everyone.

Dr Strange said:

I wish voidkitten could only post mod notes in gif form.

I wish for Dr Strange to be given a 1x vigshot.

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Now in bold

I wish voidkitten could only post mod notes in gif form.

I wish for Dr Strange to be given a 1x vigshot.

Sabrina Spellman said:

Is it wise to vote for the person that is granting wishes? Just curious.

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If you think it's legit, wouldn't you want it on record vs. Just going for self preservation?

Why Cactus Jack?

@Jade Cargill. How are you? Feeling strong for your match?

Still don't like that we had that weird run yesterday. Do we hate that today?

I like the theory of mass rb/% rb. Reads that way to me.

If Mazer was recruited, should we just assume the bad side? Can Rajah do something then too?

Also, I think Voidkitten having to warn people in the council that their comments would be public is hilarious. He is already worried about his choices.

Sirius Black said:

I think town dies today so I wouldn't want you to

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As a surgeon, I advocate for life and immunity. First, do no harm.

Sirius Black said:

Ripley looks like one of those death eaters

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No....much more like one of the seductive denizens of the Dark Dimension.

Consider a magical counter train.

And see who blinks when glancing through the eye.

Hmm. I note that the Final has had a late push past the most fun of the Foleys. By the Vishanti, those who climb must also be visible.

I will loan Cactus Jack my cloak of levitation.

Vote: Cactus Jack

And now they are even in vantage point.

Vote: Cactus Jack

Right now you are my favorite Foley face. I hope you will not betray my trace.


Paul Heyman, you have not done any spoilers. So, I will not be casting my lot for you.

Sirius, you are a mixture of Hagrid and Uncle Vernon. So, I will not be casting my lot for you.

Voidmammu.....I come to bargain